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Lithium batteries with which charger/inverter?

Posted by jaydebe

Oct 17, 2018 at 8:51am

I'm looking into building a modest solar system for our van.
Right now, the built is mostly all Renogy
- 2 100ah lithium batteries
- Rover 40am CC
- 3-4 100w panels or 2-3 160w panels

My question is, "What Inverter/Charger should I use? I'm thinking 2000w is what I need.
It seems that some of the more popular I/Cs are the AIMS (and the Renogy/AIM (just guessing) don't have a setting for lithium batteries.

That said, from what I've seen from a Renogy graphic, there is a AGM 2 setting that looks close to a lithium setting for volts at 14.6.

Would that be used for a lithium battery?


Posted by tattoo

Oct 17, 2018 at 2:23pm

jaydebe Avatar

Oct 17, 2018 at 8:51am jaydebe said:

I'm looking into building a modest solar system for our van.
Right now, the built is mostly all Renogy
- 2 100ah lithium batteries
- Rover 40am CC
- 3-4 100w panels or 2-3 160w panels

My question is, "What Inverter/Charger should I use? I'm thinking 2000w is what I need.
It seems that some of the more popular I/Cs are the AIMS (and the Renogy/AIM (just guessing) don't have a setting for lithium batteries.

That said, from what I've seen from a Renogy graphic, there is a AGM 2 setting that looks close to a lithium setting for volts at 14.6.

Would that be used for a lithium battery?



The first thing you need to ask yourself is..... What am I going to be running off of the system and how many watts will I need?

Posted by playersz28

Oct 17, 2018 at 2:33pm

For use in a van the 2kw inverter should be more than enough. If you don't have a microwave then you could go smaller. I expect you'll be limited to how much solar you can fit on the roof so if you put in a real big inverter you'll never get caught up if you draw too much. The 200AH of batteries will limit how long you can run the inverter anyway.

We have a 2000w PSW and it'll run everything but the A/C as long as I only run one large load at a time (Mwave, hair dryer, coffee maker, etc) with 448AH AGM (abt the same as your Li)

Posted by tattoo

Oct 17, 2018 at 4:02pm

I would think that a 500w inverter would be enough for a van and it won't kill the battery just by itself..... Most people have no idea how much power an inverter takes just by itself with no load on it at all...

I have a 2000w and a 500w inverter wired in my solar system and it's very rare that I turn the 2000w on..... Only with things like a vacuum, table saw etc....

Posted by bupkis

Oct 17, 2018 at 5:34pm



Oct 17, 2018 10:51:31 GMT -5 jaydebe said:

My question is, "What Inverter/Charger should I use? I'm thinking 2000w is what I need.





hi jaydebe, seems a couple of the charge settings would be OK, the 1000 version has max 35A charge which should be enough. the 2000 has max 65A of charge ...

Hopefully Admin will pipe in, the battery BMS may help prevent overcharge or what settings to use for Li

Posted by jaydebe

Oct 17, 2018 at 6:22pm

Sorry, I forgot to mention what we plan to run in the van.
The "Big draw" 120v will be us using an electric kettle most mornings for coffee, about 7-8 min to heat up at 1500w, maybe again at night for tea; A Ninja Blender 1500w @ 1-2min max.
We're undecided about an induction cooktop that would likely run 15-30 min 1x a day.

Everything else is 12 and pretty much smaller constants will be 5w fan for the toilet, 2 iphones, MaxxAirFan, and a Dometic Fridge Freezer 75-90Qt.

We'll likely drive at least 1x per day and if needed, we'll run the van during cooking on rainy days that we can't use a gas grill.


Posted by jaydebe

Oct 17, 2018 at 6:27pm

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Oct 17, 2018 at 4:02pm tattoo said:

I would think that a 500w inverter would be enough for a van and it won't kill the battery just by itself..... Most people have no idea how much power an inverter takes just by itself with no load on it at all...

I have a 2000w and a 500w inverter wired in my solar system and it's very rare that I turn the 2000w on..... Only with things like a vacuum, table saw etc....


Yeah, we're trying to not use an inverter any more than we have needed. So almost everything will be on 12v but 5-6 items:
Blender, Electric kettle, and maybe the occasional LED TV @55w hr.

The AIMS claims 15w per hour on standby.  

Posted by tattoo

Oct 17, 2018 at 6:34pm

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Oct 17, 2018 at 6:27pm jaydebe said:

Yeah, we're trying to not use an inverter any more than we have needed.  So almost everything will be on 12v but 5-6 items:
Blender, Electric kettle, and maybe the occasional LED TV @55w hr.

The AIMS claims 15w per hour on standby.  


Where do you have the 12v hooked to? The CC or the battery?

Posted by tattoo

Oct 17, 2018 at 6:41pm

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Oct 17, 2018 at 6:22pm jaydebe said:

Sorry, I forgot to mention what we plan to run in the van.
The "Big draw" 120v will be us using an electric kettle most mornings for coffee, about 7-8 min to heat up at 1500w, maybe again at night for tea; A Ninja Blender 1500w @ 1-2min max.
We're undecided about an induction cooktop that would likely run 15-30 min 1x a day.

Everything else is 12 and pretty much smaller constants will be 5w fan for the toilet, 2 iphones, MaxxAirFan, and a Dometic Fridge Freezer 75-90Qt.

We'll likely drive at least 1x per day and if needed, we'll run the van during cooking on rainy days that we can't use a gas grill.



I don't see how your going to run all of that off of that size system.... But the key to battery life is to see what your voltage is in your battery in the AM first thing with no load on them...


You really need to have a way to include a cooktop.....

Posted by jaydebe

Oct 17, 2018 at 7:50pm

I haven't built the system yet. The 12v will likely be right off of the battery.
I know that the watts adds up fast! Most of what we will be doing is chasing the sun and being outside. We're hoping to be more "camping" than relying 100% on the van.
That said, I'd like a system that could hold up for 2-days without running the van and little sun.

Am I doing the math wrong? 2 100AH batteries produce about 2400WH.
Our big draw is 1500 @ 7min. So, that's 25 per min. or 150w used + inverter losses. Depending on the time of morning and time of year, the panels might be pulling in 0-100w, so we should be pretty neutral to a minimal loss.
Similar for the blender.

Kettle: 150-170wh per day
Blender: 50-75wh per day
Lighting: 60wh per day max.
Toilet: 60wh per day
2 iPhones: 60wh per day
Dometic 75: 250-400wh per day
MaxxFan: Min: 28- 800wh Max. per day (huge range) Likely 316wh per day (Level 7 of 10)
Inverter Standby: 240wh
High Est: 1870 watts used.

I maybe missing something, but assuming ZERO solar or any other input: We'd be using just about all 80% of the batteries up maxed out.
Now, if I something happened during any given day that I'm stuck in the van this long, I'd bet that the van would be running at some point for some type to climate control and we'd likely try to locate a place with shore power if possible.

Any way, I love the input and if I'm seeing something wrong, please correct me. We are looking at this trip as an adventure, so we're willing to give up a lot to make it happen.

Some other info. is that most of the foods we eat need minimal prep. time.
We will be chasing the sun, so in the
- Spring / Summer: Most of the areas we'll be in show 7+ hrs of sunlight per day
- Winter months we'll be in Ca, Az, and Mx with the solar calc. showing 5.5-7hrs of daylight per day.
4 panels should net us some pretty good fuel. Thinking about wiring up in the series-parallel method; using right side and left side as separate entities in case of shade spots. Our rack will also allow for the panels to pivot/tilt when sitting still.

We don't plan on being in any area without driving or some shore power for more than 2-3 days.

Our funds are limited, but our trip will be approx. 12-16 months with 2-4mo of traveling per year after. So, we're looking at Lithium batteries for size, weight and lifespan. It'll be almost impossible for us to remove and store 400AH of AGM batteries after out travels, if they are still working well since they have very limited cycles.

Any 411 is welcome.

Posted by jaydebe

Oct 17, 2018 at 8:04pm

I do have a question of a different sort. If I build up a 200ah system and decide to add another battery in 1-3 month, is that cool? I get that the idea is to make the system all at once to keep the batteries as balanced as possible, but Lithiums also use a individual BMS to keep them all independently running in tip top shape, so, in my mind, it shouldn't be a huge issue to add one later.

Posted by Admin

Oct 18, 2018 at 4:20am

jaydebe Avatar

Oct 17, 2018 at 8:51am jaydebe said:

I'm looking into building a modest solar system for our van.
Right now, the built is mostly all Renogy
- 2 100ah lithium batteries
- Rover 40am CC
- 3-4 100w panels or 2-3 160w panels

My question is, "What Inverter/Charger should I use? I'm thinking 2000w is what I need.
It seems that some of the more popular I/Cs are the AIMS (and the Renogy/AIM (just guessing) don't have a setting for lithium batteries.

That said, from what I've seen from a Renogy graphic, there is a AGM 2 setting that looks close to a lithium setting for volts at 14.6.

Would that be used for a lithium battery?




A 2000W inverter would be appropriate if you plan on running many appliances at the same time that would be close to this wattage. Otherwise, you can always go smaller wattage and just be conscious about your appliances usage. The LFP batteries could be used for the pure sine wave inverter, but we would not recommend the batteries be paired with the inverter charger, as you will not be able to use the charging feature to charge your LFP batteries back up through the inverter charger itself. There is currently no setting on it and you cannot customize it for LFP battery charging. The 14.6V while consistent with the Renogy LFP battery charging profile, is meant to be in a constant voltage state, by which the inverter charger's float stage would potentially damage the LFP battery.

-Renogy Team

Posted by tattoo

Oct 18, 2018 at 5:25am

jaydebe Avatar

Oct 17, 2018 at 8:04pm jaydebe said:

I do have a question of a different sort. If I build up a 200ah system and decide to add another battery in 1-3 month, is that cool? I get that the idea is to make the system all at once to keep the batteries as balanced as possible, but Lithiums also use a individual BMS to keep them all independently running in tip top shape, so, in my mind, it shouldn't be a huge issue to add one later.


Sure you can and should add another battery with no problems at all...

Posted by jaydebe

Oct 18, 2018 at 5:33am

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Oct 18, 2018 at 4:20am Admin said:

jaydebe Avatar

Oct 17, 2018 at 8:51am jaydebe said:

I'm looking into building a modest solar system for our van.
Right now, the built is mostly all Renogy
- 2 100ah lithium batteries
- Rover 40am CC
- 3-4 100w panels or 2-3 160w panels

My question is, "What Inverter/Charger should I use? I'm thinking 2000w is what I need.
It seems that some of the more popular I/Cs are the AIMS (and the Renogy/AIM (just guessing) don't have a setting for lithium batteries.

That said, from what I've seen from a Renogy graphic, there is a AGM 2 setting that looks close to a lithium setting for volts at 14.6.

Would that be used for a lithium battery?



A 2000W inverter would be appropriate if you plan on running many appliances at the same time that would be close to this wattage. Otherwise, you can always go smaller wattage and just be conscious about your appliances usage. The LFP batteries could be used for the pure sine wave inverter, but we would not recommend the batteries be paired with the inverter charger, as you will not be able to use the charging feature to charge your LFP batteries back up through the inverter charger itself. There is currently no setting on it and you cannot customize it for LFP battery charging. The 14.6V while consistent with the Renogy LFP battery charging profile, is meant to be in a constant voltage state, by which the inverter charger's float stage would potentially damage the LFP battery.

-Renogy Team


Thank you.

So, I see that Battleborn sells a LiFePO4 specific charger.
Can I just add this to the system for when I'm on shore power?


battlebornbatteries.com/shop/progressive-dynamics-60-amp-lifepo4-battery-charger/

Posted by tattoo

Oct 18, 2018 at 5:40am

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Oct 17, 2018 at 7:50pm jaydebe said:

I haven't built the system yet. The 12v will likely be right off of the battery.
I know that the watts adds up fast! Most of what we will be doing is chasing the sun and being outside. We're hoping to be more "camping" than relying 100% on the van.
That said, I'd like a system that could hold up for 2-days without running the van and little sun.

Am I doing the math wrong? 2 100AH batteries produce about 2400WH.
Our big draw is 1500 @ 7min. So, that's 25 per min. or 150w used + inverter losses. Depending on the time of morning and time of year, the panels might be pulling in 0-100w, so we should be pretty neutral to a minimal loss.
Similar for the blender.

Kettle: 150-170wh per day
Blender: 50-75wh per day
Lighting: 60wh per day max.
Toilet: 60wh per day
2 iPhones: 60wh per day
Dometic 75: 250-400wh per day
MaxxFan: Min: 28- 800wh Max. per day (huge range) Likely 316wh per day (Level 7 of 10)
Inverter Standby: 240wh
High Est: 1870 watts used.

I maybe missing something, but assuming ZERO solar or any other input: We'd be using just about all 80% of the batteries up maxed out.
Now, if I something happened during any given day that I'm stuck in the van this long, I'd bet that the van would be running at some point for some type to climate control and we'd likely try to locate a place with shore power if possible.

Any way, I love the input and if I'm seeing something wrong, please correct me. We are looking at this trip as an adventure, so we're willing to give up a lot to make it happen.

Some other info. is that most of the foods we eat need minimal prep. time.
We will be chasing the sun, so in the
- Spring / Summer: Most of the areas we'll be in show 7+ hrs of sunlight per day
- Winter months we'll be in Ca, Az, and Mx with the solar calc. showing 5.5-7hrs of daylight per day.
4 panels should net us some pretty good fuel. Thinking about wiring up in the series-parallel method; using right side and left side as separate entities in case of shade spots. Our rack will also allow for the panels to pivot/tilt when sitting still.

We don't plan on being in any area without driving or some shore power for more than 2-3 days.

Our funds are limited, but our trip will be approx. 12-16 months with 2-4mo of traveling per year after. So, we're looking at Lithium batteries for size, weight and lifespan. It'll be almost impossible for us to remove and store 400AH of AGM batteries after out travels, if they are still working well since they have very limited cycles.

Any 411 is welcome.



I personally don't think you can run all that your hoping to run off of the solar system you have described... I doubt if I could run all of that off of my system.... And it's way larger than what your considering....


Running things like a kettle is a waste of Solar power... That's what propane is for...


Plus most 12v appliances are junk and are a waste of money...


If your planning on using 80% of your batteries everyday they won't last very long.... You will never get them fully charged everyday like you should do everyday.... 50% is the max that you want to draw down a battery.... You will need 4 batteries to do what your wanting to do and then you will need more panels......


You need to stop thinking about the things that you use at home on the AC grid.... Solar won't do the same unless it's a HUGE system....


That's my nickle, But what the H do I know?


Posted by tattoo

Oct 18, 2018 at 5:49am

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Oct 18, 2018 at 5:33am jaydebe said:

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Oct 18, 2018 at 4:20am Admin said:

A 2000W inverter would be appropriate if you plan on running many appliances at the same time that would be close to this wattage. Otherwise, you can always go smaller wattage and just be conscious about your appliances usage. The LFP batteries could be used for the pure sine wave inverter, but we would not recommend the batteries be paired with the inverter charger, as you will not be able to use the charging feature to charge your LFP batteries back up through the inverter charger itself. There is currently no setting on it and you cannot customize it for LFP battery charging. The 14.6V while consistent with the Renogy LFP battery charging profile, is meant to be in a constant voltage state, by which the inverter charger's float stage would potentially damage the LFP battery.

-Renogy Team


Thank you.

So, I see that Battleborn sells a LiFePO4 specific charger.
Can I just add this to the system for when I'm on shore power?


battlebornbatteries.com/shop/progressive-dynamics-60-amp-lifepo4-battery-charger/


I guess I'm missing something but  what the Admin and you are suggesting is using a charger to power a changer to charge a battery? Now if that's the case that is a HUGE waste of power.....

Posted by jaydebe

Oct 18, 2018 at 6:55am

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Oct 18, 2018 at 5:40am tattoo said:

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Oct 17, 2018 at 7:50pm jaydebe said:



I personally don't think you can run all that your hoping to run off of the solar system you have described... I doubt if I could run all of that off of my system.... And it's way larger than what your considering....


Running things like a kettle is a waste of Solar power... That's what propane is for...


Plus most 12v appliances are junk and are a waste of money...


If your planning on using 80% of your batteries everyday they won't last very long.... You will never get them fully charged everyday like you should do everyday.... 50% is the max that you want to draw down a battery.... You will need 4 batteries to do what your wanting to do and then you will need more panels......


You need to stop thinking about the things that you use at home on the AC grid.... Solar won't do the same unless it's a HUGE system....


That's my nickle, But what the H do I know?


That's cool; I really love and appreciate the input.  

But, please note that the above example was everything used to the MAX; including double the time it takes to boil water and use a blender.
The above WH include forgetting to toggle the inverter, fan on MAX output, etc. I highly doubt we'll use a 90 cfm fan on high for 24hrs.

Our goal: Travel around visiting US Parks, hike and mt bike.
We will rarely be idle for more than a day, so in addition to solor, we'll have the system running off of the car too.
Our plan includes looking at this as a camping trip that happens to have come portable power. So, we will be using a camp stove & grill as first, relying on battery power 2nd.

We plan on shore power 1-2 per week via staying at campgrounds. For us, one of the most beautiful parts of our plan is that if the weather is looking sucky for more than a day or so, we just drive to somewhere nicer.

I am new to solar, but as a contractor I use Dewalt Li tools daily for work. The Dewalt Power Station which is much smaller battery wise (runs on 4 20-60v 5-9ah batteries) that can run full table saws & miterboxes for 100's of cuts (usually 1/2 day) which is a lot of On/Off surges. Now, I get that the Dewalt stuff is 20-60v batteries, so that voltage comes into play, but IMO it can't make that much of a difference.

Again, I get that some of my constants add up, but our current planned system is based on double what I think our avg. use should be and basically 1 to 1 for our max use for a day.

That all said, I think that I have my wife ready to buy up 1 more battery and reaching for 500w of panels, 600 if we can squeeze it. We are space limited and since i don't have my fan in the roof yet, I can only guess a real layout for the panels.

Again, I really appreciate the feedback and I hope all of this helps others figure out their system also.

Posted by bupkis

Oct 18, 2018 at 7:01am

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Oct 18, 2018 at 5:33am jaydebe said:

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Oct 18, 2018 at 4:20am Admin said:

A 2000W inverter would be appropriate if you plan on running many appliances at the same time that would be close to this wattage. Otherwise, you can always go smaller wattage and just be conscious about your appliances usage. The LFP batteries could be used for the pure sine wave inverter, but we would not recommend the batteries be paired with the inverter charger, as you will not be able to use the charging feature to charge your LFP batteries back up through the inverter charger itself. There is currently no setting on it and you cannot customize it for LFP battery charging. The 14.6V while consistent with the Renogy LFP battery charging profile, is meant to be in a constant voltage state, by which the inverter charger's float stage would potentially damage the LFP battery.

-Renogy Team


Thank you.

So, I see that Battleborn sells a LiFePO4 specific charger.
Can I just add this to the system for when I'm on shore power?


battlebornbatteries.com/shop/progressive-dynamics-60-amp-lifepo4-battery-charger/


If renogy has no 120v LiPo charger then you'll have to get it elsewhere. 40A charger would be good, 60A is not too much! Of course you turn it off and not operate it via inverter!!! 60A would be OK for 3 batteries.

I think you'll have some problems with the big loads on inverter when not full charged but you're willing to supplement with the alternator and/or go without till you find utility power which you might need ever other day!

Some sort of BATTERY MONITOR, one that counts energy in/out of the battery would help you know the batts health at any time. I don't think I'd plan on using 80% battery capacity daily. I generally deal in amp hrs but wH is OK, for instance the fridge @1.3A/hr will consume ~35ah/day, that is ~20% of total capacity and even greater % of salable power.

Happy trails.

Posted by jaydebe

Oct 18, 2018 at 7:03am

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Oct 18, 2018 at 5:49am tattoo said:

jaydebe Avatar

Oct 18, 2018 at 5:33am jaydebe said:

Thank you.

So, I see that Battleborn sells a LiFePO4 specific charger.
Can I just add this to the system for when I'm on shore power?


battlebornbatteries.com/shop/progressive-dynamics-60-amp-lifepo4-battery-charger/


I guess I'm missing something but  what the Admin and you are suggesting is using a charger to power a changer to charge a battery? Now if that's the case that is a HUGE waste of power.....


Hah, I think there is a misunderstanding here...

My initial question about the I/C is that none of the I/C that I've seen have LiFePO4 settings listed on them; so, is it ok to use them anyway with teh closest AGM setting.

- The Admin is saying that a standard I/C does not charge a LiFePO4 battery appropriately when connected to shore power.

- Based on the Admin's response, I've located a dedicated LiFePO4 charger that I'd use ONLY when I connect to Shore Power and I'll ditch the idea of a I/C for a Inverter only. Otherwise, the ChargeController will take care of everything while off shore power.


Posted by tattoo

Oct 18, 2018 at 9:32am

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Oct 18, 2018 at 7:03am jaydebe said:

Hah, I think there is a misunderstanding here...

My initial question about the I/C is that none of the I/C that I've seen have LiFePO4 settings listed on them; so, is it ok to use them anyway with teh closest AGM setting.



LOL I sure hope so..... What I thought your were going to have to do didn't make solar sense...... LOL

Posted by playersz28

Oct 18, 2018 at 2:32pm

I have 448AH of AGM and last winter ran 320W of solar (640w for this winter). With the 2000w PSW inverter it had no problem running whatever I wanted turned on. The only large kitchen loads we ran was microwave & blender. After using lighting/TV overnight and appliances in the morning I was back to full by 11am in South AZ with the panels tilted in Jan/Feb. We have an induction cookplate but only used it on hookups as we have a propane stove, maybe this winter I'll try it on battery with the extra panels.

Sounds like you're doing pretty much the same as us except we have a 40' 5th wheel we haul down from Ontario for 4-5 months in the SW. Any issue you would have will crop up after 2 days of overcast, then you'd need to move to an electric site. I think you'll be fine with 400w solar and 2 Li's. Having 3 would be better but only for longer low solar support. The Dometic 75 cooler/freezer can run on 12v which would let you turn off the inverter when you aren't using the 110v appliances

Posted by playersz28

Oct 18, 2018 at 2:34pm

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Oct 18, 2018 at 5:49am tattoo said:

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Oct 18, 2018 at 5:33am jaydebe said:

Thank you.

So, I see that Battleborn sells a LiFePO4 specific charger.
Can I just add this to the system for when I'm on shore power?


battlebornbatteries.com/shop/progressive-dynamics-60-amp-lifepo4-battery-charger/


I guess I'm missing something but  what the Admin and you are suggesting is using a charger to power a changer to charge a battery? Now if that's the case that is a HUGE waste of power.....


You misread: "Can I just add this to the system for when I'm on shore power?"

Charge the Li's off the Battleborn unit when on an AC shore cord. Nothing to do with the solar side of things.

Posted by Admin

Oct 18, 2018 at 3:42pm

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Oct 18, 2018 at 7:03am jaydebe said:

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Oct 18, 2018 at 5:49am tattoo said:

I guess I'm missing something but  what the Admin and you are suggesting is using a charger to power a changer to charge a battery? Now if that's the case that is a HUGE waste of power.....


Hah, I think there is a misunderstanding here...

My initial question about the I/C is that none of the I/C that I've seen have LiFePO4 settings listed on them; so, is it ok to use them anyway with teh closest AGM setting.

- The Admin is saying that a standard I/C does not charge a LiFePO4 battery appropriately when connected to shore power.

- Based on the Admin's response, I've located a dedicated LiFePO4 charger that I'd use ONLY when I connect to Shore Power and I'll ditch the idea of a I/C for a Inverter only. Otherwise, the ChargeController will take care of everything while off shore power.




Yes that is correct. You can not use the inverter charger to charge your LFP batteries, however, you can definitely use the progressive dynamics charger separately when you're connected to shore power. This could be an alternative/advantage when you're on shore power on not relying solely on solar.

-Renogy Team

Posted by tattoo

Oct 18, 2018 at 4:45pm

OOOhhhhh shore power I just looked it up, It's not a wave powered generator like at the ocean generating power from the waves.... Now I get it..... It's a damn AC outlet..... Why the fancy ass name?

And Yes I can laugh at myself why not.... LOL

Carry on....

Posted by tattoo

Oct 18, 2018 at 4:50pm

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Oct 18, 2018 at 2:34pm playersz28 said:

You misread: "Can I just add this to the system for when I'm on shore power?"

Charge the Li's off the Battleborn unit when on an AC shore cord. Nothing to do with the solar side of things.


LOL I didn't miss read it I didn't understand it.... But I do now.... LOL


Read my above post and you can understand my post better... LOL


Now I understand...

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